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 Post subject: HLT 'out' modification?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:05 am 
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has anyone attempted to install a similar 'out tube' from the HLT that you would find in the MT and BK? It's annoying having the 14L (approx) unavailable.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:35 pm 
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Hey Chris,
Welcome to the BMF!

Hmm. Your HLT should come with a dip tube. Unless it's a different design these days. My rig is from October 2008, so alot has changed I'm sure. Back then the HLT and the BK were interchangeable ;)

If you wouldn't mind please post a picture of your HLT. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:57 pm 
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Mine is the same on all three. My System is from 2010.

can you show us a picture of the one that you have? Seems strange that it would be different.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:11 pm 
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Ummm i would but i can't seem to figure out how to add a picture....


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:29 pm 
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unfortunately, the picture has to be hosted on another site, i.e. picassa, photobucket, etc.

then you can link to it using the img tag/button above. so long as you can "see" it in the preview, we'll all be able to "see" it.

quick tip: try to keep the resolution under 800x600pixels.

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Assuming you've all seen this, but Bob replied to this on Facebook. Apparently you newer BM owners have this setup and those of us with "vintage" systems don't have the same configuration. Those of us with older systems DO have the same dip tube in the HLT as in the MLT and BK. Anyhow, heres was Bob's FB reply:

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Greetings... Here's the drift on the HLT outlet... First let's clear the air.... NO it was not an oversight! NO we did not do this to save money! (I wish it did) So far the only reported negative is the bit of residual water in the HLT at the end of a perhaps several batch brew-day. Call it a nuisance if you like. What we don't hear anymore from average owners, is the steady stream of complaints arising from pump priming issues due to the natural air-lock at the top of the siphon. With this modification, the siphon air lock has been eliminated and as a result, pump cavitation issues have virtually disappeared. If you think dumping 1.5 gal. of clean water is a nuisance, try getting a pump to stall right in the middle of your brew-day when you begin to sparge! To use John's words "that was BS guys". OK.. so we have a bit of a trade off... you have a smoother, less worrisome system, but yes...you have to dump 1.5 gal. of clean water once a day. ( Ever hear of a wet-vac?) (Please don't tell me it's too heavy when I know you also dump a ton of soggy grain) Regarding site-glass issues... ok... I start with 12 gal. in the site glass and when I'm done,it says 7 gal. Seems to me that I've used 5 gal. of water. The bottom line?... So now the TC valve is out front and not sandwiched between 2 vessels. The connection is too. New users don't get pump issues but without ever having experienced priming issues, now think we should re-design the system with a siphon in the HLT... I'd love to have it both ways for everyone,,, but I think the current solution is winning the day. - Bob / SABCO


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Good catch meegs!

So it sounds like Sabco is addressing the pump cavitation problem we've all been talking about for years. Us with vintage systems can just not hook up the dip tube in the HLT. I shall try this next time I brew, which unfortunately won't be for another month or so :(

Consequently, if there is air that "gets" trapped in the dip tube, I wonder if filling the HLT to a high water level (passed the output opening), dropping the dip tube in the water, moving it about in the water to purge the trapped air before hooking it up will do :?: A bit messy and wet I confess, but may work the same.

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Every time I brew, I prime my "vintage" BrewMagic by filling the HLT and opening the dump valve under the control panel until I get a steady stream. Then I fill the HLT to the desired level. Problem solved.


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So, I'm in the "no HLT siphon" design era. However, contrary to Bob's facebook post, I have 2.5 gallons of leftover water. Does that match what others are seeing?
Also, I can't speak to how bad the pump cavitation was before the redesign, but I can say that it still happens to me around 50% of the time with the new design. I certainly wouldn't rule out user error here though. Maybe, I'll try the prime method that OneEyedGiant mentioned.

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I had a VERY easy brew day on Sunday. Essentially, I inadvertently started to fill the MT with water the old way ...from the bottom. Well by filling from the bottom, it fully filled the lines. Once I got to the level of the false bottom, I shut off the valve coming from the MT and turned on the pump to fill the MT to the desired level, poured in all my grain, stirred it up, began circulating and it worked. I didn't have to prime anything. This is going to be the way I do it from now on. It was so easy it was funny.


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